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par Upset Mer 11 Aoû 2010, 13:54
Chez Thai :
8 Airbus A 330-321, premiers livrés ( MSN 050 à 122 ).
Moteurs P&W 4164
3 Airbus A 330-322. seconde fournée ( MSN 209 à 231 ).
>Moteurs P&W 4168
1 Airbus A 330-323X. ( MSN 346 )
>Moteurs P&W 4168 A1D
8 Airbus A 330-343X. Deuxième batch ( MSN 346 à 1090 )
Cinq appareils de ce type sont stockés à Bordeaux en attente de livraison ( MSN 1037 à 1090 )
>Moteurs RR Trent 772 C-60
...alors, à mon avis, les jeux ne sont pas faits.
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par SEVRIEN Mer 11 Aoû 2010, 14:31
J'avais toujours cru que les A330-300 étaient, du moins pour partie, équipés de moteurs P&W.
C'est récemment que j'ai lu que les 20 (20 ! ) déjà commandés, avant ce lot de 7, étaient équipés de RR Trent 700 !
D'où ma question !
S'il s'agit de RR Trent 772C, cela voudrait dire que Thai a opté pour la version optimisée pour le "very hot & high" (Tibet).
Intéressant.
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par SEVRIEN Mer 11 Aoû 2010, 14:58
C'est une erreur de lecture de ma part ! Autant pour moi !
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Voici un communiqué de presse de RR, qui dit les choses bien, .. comme il faut.
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Rolls-Royce today announced that THAI Airways International has selected the Trent 700 to power a new fleet of eight Airbus A330-300s, in a deal worth around $300 million at engine list prices. The aircraft are due to be delivered from 2009 onwards.
In addition, the engines will be covered by a 10 year TotalCare® long term [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] agreement, based on an agreed [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] fee per engine flying hour.
C'est, sans doute, la suite que j'avas relue trop vite !
THAI was the launch customer for the Trent 800 on both the -200 and -300 versions of the Boeing 777 and has 20 aircraft in its fleet, which now also includes the Trent-powered -200ER version. The airline also operates the Trent 500, supported by TotalCare, on 10 Airbus A340-500 and -600s.
Faute ! Manque d'attention ! Mauvais élève !
Khun Tummasak, Executive Vice President Technical at THAI, said: “We have developed a strong relationship with Rolls-Royce since we started operating the Trent 800 in 1996. During that time, Rolls-Royce has demonstrated an excellent understanding of our business requirements which has helped them provide the highest levels of [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] for our operation. This was one of the key factors in our decision, along with our evaluation of long term operating costs.”
Les speeches du rituel !
Nick Devall, Executive Vice President, Rolls-Royce Customer Business at Rolls-Royce, added: "This decision to select the Trent 700 for its second batch of A330s shows how far the relationship has developed and it will bring a third member of the Trent engine family into THAI’s fleet. I am delighted to have the opportunity to grow the Trent’s presence in support of THAI's long term growth plans.”
C'est le RR Trent 700 qui devrait sélectionné. Mais, une fois sélectionné, le processus inclut toute la procédure obligatoire du système thailandais, ... soit celle de la ratification de la décision, par le Gouvernement, signifiée par par la signature de ratification du Premier Ministre, et ensuite notifiée par le Ministre approprié.
The Trent 700 is the only engine on the A330 that has been specifically designed for the aircraft, resulting in better performance, reliability and maintenance costs. It is the market [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] on the A330 with a 50 per cent share of firm orders.
It is also the quietest and cleanest [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] on the A330, with the greatest [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] to CAEP 4 legislation. A programme of continuous improvement, involving the [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] of the latest Trent family technology to the Trent 700, will ensure increased benefits to customers, such as the lowest fuel burn of any engine on the aircraft.
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par YWK Mer 11 Aoû 2010, 15:06
Le petit bémol éventuel : les A 340-500 toujours immobilisés.
>>> C'est Thai qui l'a décidé en avançant des chiffres, en 2008, qui, s'ils avaient eu la précision et l'authenticité voulues auraient cloué au sol tous les A 340-500 " revenue flights " dans le monde.
SIA n'était pas du même avis que Thai, Emirates non plus.
Il y a un gap à combler avec le retrait des A 300-600, car, pour ce coup là, l'A 330-300 n'est pas le module idéal, encore moins le 777.
Pour le choix moteur prochain des 7 A 330-300 confirmés par Thai, P&W ne va pas répéter la grande braderie au festival MAS, enfin je suppose.
Je me gratte un peu la tête sur la stratégie de Thai Airways en voyant les plans de reprises de cies voisines. Pourquoi ne pas installer des A 321, par exemple, en remplacement des A 300-600 ?
Mais, bon, c'est signé, confirmé.
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Re: Thai Airways : TG : THA :
par SEVRIEN Mer 11 Aoû 2010, 15:20
Oui, Thai a eu des problèmles de gestion de leur flotte d'A340-500, .... et, compt tenu de ses problèmes de trésorerie, il avait tendance à regarder le seul aspect consommation !
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par SEVRIEN Lun 16 Aoû 2010, 19:59
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Talks begin for huge order
Published: 16/08/2010 at 12:00 AM
Il faudra suivre ce dossier avec attention. Les Thailandias savent "se la jouer fine", et être compliqués à souhait, ... comme nous le voyons depuis pas mal de temps !Thai Airways International has begun talks with Airbus on the possibility of acquiring up to 30 of the next-generation A350XWB jets and six additional A380 superjumbos.
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Il est fatigant d'avoir à commencer à lire des articles de ce tonneau par de telles phrases d'ouverture ! Les Thailandais font du "posturing" ! Et Airbus danse selon le rythme de Thai ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]Demand has been heavy for the A350XWB and deliveries may fall behind schedule.
Thai adore mettre l'airframer devant ce genre de challenge, .... pour lui extorquer le maximum de concessions financières et commerciales, allant jusque dans les dates de livrasions plus rapprochées que la Cie. ne mérite !THAI president Piyasvasti Amranand and Jean-Jacques Boissin, Airbus's Southeast Asia sales director, separately confirmed the discussions. If a sale materialises, it may represent the largest aircraft order in the 50-year history of the flag carrier.
C'est le rituel traditionnel dans le marché ! Mais Thai ne va pas acheter des B787 ou des B747-8I ! La Cie. n'est pas folle ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]The aircraft would cost US$9.12 billion on the open market, though Airbus tends to offer deep discounts to compete with US rival Boeing on major orders.
Et, compte tenu de la flotte d'A330 que Thai a "construite", en découvrant que la Compagnie préfère les exemplaires d'A330 construits plus récemment aux B777 qu'il a dans la flotte, il veut utiliser cette flotte d'A330 comme rampe de lancement vers les A350-XWB, .... approche qui conviendra parfaitement à Airbus !Airbus is pushing for orders of the new high-capacity jets as part of THAI's ongoing fleet renewal programme as it replaces ageing jets with planes that offer more advanced features and better fuel efficiency to appeal to customers.
Mais Thai n'a pas forcément les ressources financières à la hauteur de ses ambitions de flotte ! Il faufra, donc, que les airframers fassent des efforts et concessions sur les plans financier et commercial ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]According to a draft plan presented to THAI's board earlier, by 2026 the airline expects to have a fleet of 102 aircraft with an average age of 7.5 years.
Et Airbus "marchera", ... parce qu'il veut renforcer ses positions dans cette zone du Globe !
Oui !Currently there are 88 planes in THAI's fleet with an average age of 11.5 years, compared to competitors such as Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific whose aircraft are six to seven years old.
Oui ! Les hypothèses sont raisonnables.Mr Boissin believes THAI needs thirty A350s over the next decade to replace the A340s, Boeing B777-200ERs and B777-300ERs it uses on long-haul routes.
Airbus détecte un besoin potentiel, et veut pousser le B747-8I le plus loin possible en dehors de l'esprit et des terres de Thai !Airbus also wants to sell THAI another six double-decker A380s beyond the six units already ordered and due for delivery in 2012 and 2013 to operate primarily on European routes.
Bien évidemment ! Ils ne vont pas affaiblir leurs positions de négociation !"We are absolutely sure that THAI needs at least twice as many [A380s]," said Mr Boissin, though THAI executives did not comment.
Cela est une évidence !But THAI is interested in the 900 and 1000 versions of the long-range, mid-size, wide-body A350 which boasts advanced technology and fuel efficiency.
Cible qu'Airbus semble croire pouvoir dépasser !Priced at $240 million, the A350-900 seats 314 passengers in a three-class cabin layout. It has a standard range target of 15,000 km.
Oui ! Il n'y a que Boeing (et GE) qui espère(nt) que cela n'est pas vrai ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]The -900 version will debut in 2013 with the first aircraft going to Qatar Airways, to be followed by the 270-seat A350-800 ($208 million) in 2014. An even larger variant with 350 seats, the A350-1000, is scheduled to enter service in late 2015, according to Airbus.
Oui ! Et Thai sait que cela est dû an grande partie à des facteur dont Thai est directement responsable, ... tout en voulant masquer tout ça, et focaliser sur lees tentaitves de négocier des dates de livraison plus rapprochées auprès d'Airbus, .... qui chercherait à faire de grands efforts, s'il sentait la possibilité d'une commande ferme substantielle ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]However, Airbus may not be able to deliver the A350s to potential new customers soon enough due to a large order backlog, now at 530 planes from 33 customers, including Bangkok Airways which ordered four new jets.
"We are a victim of our own success. So we have to reorganise to improve production capacity," said Mr Boissin.
The earliest that Airbus could deliver the first A350 to THAI is 2017, he pointed out.
Oui, ... mais les commandes nombreuses ne masquent pas les problèmes dont Boeing est assailli, en ce moment, sur le B787 ! Boeing doit vraiment réussir ce programme B787 ! Et le monde de l'aviation civile, et du transport aérien, .... ont vraiment de la réussite de ce B787 !The A350 was designed to compete with Boeing's hot-selling 787 Dreamliner, which is running more than two years behind schedule. The US planemaker has already received more than 850 orders for the jet that will largely be made of composite materials.
Oui.The A350 will be the first Airbus plane with both fuselage and wing structures made largely of carbon fibre-reinforced plastic. Airbus claims the A350 will be more fuel efficient, with up to 8% lower operating costs than the B787.
Airbus projects demand for 5,000 aircraft in the 250- to 300-seat category over the next two decades, a segment that includes the A350 and B787.
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par Jeannot Jeu 19 Aoû 2010, 07:24
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BANGKOK, 19 août 2010 (AFP)Le transporteur aéronautique Thai Airways a démenti jeudi négocier avec le constructeur européen Airbus un méga-contrat portant sur une trentaine d'appareils de nouvelle génération, comme l'affirmait en début de semaine la presse locale.
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par SEVRIEN Dim 22 Aoû 2010, 22:51
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Finalement, Thai Airways discute
bien avec Airbus... et Boeing
Un dirigeant a reconnu sous le couvert de l'anonymat l'existence de discussions pouvant aboutir à la commande d'une trentaine d'A350 ou de B787.
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Thai Airways a annoncé à l'agence Reuters, vendredi 20 août, discuter avec Boeing et EADS en vue d'une éventuelle commande record de 30 appareils, ravivant les rumeurs portant sur un potentiel contrat de 9 milliards de dollars (7 milliards d'euros). Airbus a proposé son modèle A350 et Boeing son Dreamliner 787, a fait savoir un dirigeant de la compagnie, qui a souhaité conserver l'anonymat, les négociations n'étant pour le moment pas officielles.
A ce stade, ce sont des "talks", ... des conversations, ..... sans aucune connotation de "négociation" ! Il suffit de connaître les grandes lignes des procédures thailandaises dans ces contextes,pour comprendre cela !
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Jeudi, un porte-parole du transporteur avait pourtant officiellement démenti auprès de l'AFP la négociation d'un méga contrat avec Airbus. "Il n'y a pas eu de moindres discussions avec Airbus sur l'achat de 30 avions. Il n'y a pas plus d'engagements à acheter 30 avions à Airbus", avait-il indiqué.
Exactement ! D'abord, ... la conversation a eu lieu en anglais. Le terme "négociation" ne figure pas ! [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] Il y a des traducteurs qui feraient mieux d'être précis, .... et de cesser d'être des 'marchands de l'à-peu-pres' !
Le quotidien anglophone Bangkok Post avait affirmé lundi que les deux sociétés étaient en discussions sur l'achat de trente A350 et six A380 supplémentaires, tandis que Les Echos évoquaient jeudi l'ouverture de "discussions", en citant un porte-parole d'Airbus.
Les Français doivent comprendre que le vocable anglais "discussions" signifie "talks" et non pas "negotiations" / 'négociations' !
En anglais, "discussions" ou "talks" veut dire 'conversations', ou 'discussions' en francais, et non pas 'négociations' !
La semaine dernière Thai Airways avait finalisé un accord avec Airbus portant sur l'achat de sept long-courriers A330-300, contrat d'une valeur de 1,48 milliard de dollars au prix catalogue.
(Challenges.fr, avec AFP et Reuters)
OK !
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par Jeannot Ven 24 Sep 2010, 05:46
Up to 77 Boeing jets may be in THAI cart
Splurge is for fleet renewal
Thai Airways International (THAI) is embarking on a multi-billion-dollar shopping spree that may include up to 77 new Boeing aircraft, mostly wide-body types, in a major fleet renewal in the flag carrier's 50-year history.
Seattle-based Boeing Commercial Airplanes has proposed to THAI a comprehensive range of jets, including two newly developed B787 "Dreamliners" and B747-8 jumbo jets.
The US planemaker is in talks with the majority state-owned airline for the jets, pitching against its European rival Airbus, which focuses its sales drive on up to 30 A350XWB jets and six additional A380 superjumbos.
The offers by the world's two largest plane producers came as THAI is finalising the longer-term plan for major fleet rejuvenation that will begin in 2015, essentially to replace ageing aircraft to drive down its average fleet age from 11.5 years currently to 7.5 years by 2026.
THAI management is due to conclude the plan toward the end of this year.
THAI president Piyasvasti Amranand, who is completing his first year in office next month, is eager to put the plane acquisition plan in place before any political interference sets in, according to industry sources.
Historically, THAI's aircraft acquisitions were marked by political intervention and favouritism among certain suppliers, leaving THAI with diverse types of not only airframes and engines but also cabin interiors _ a nightmare that other well-run carriers will want to avoid at all costs.
A draft plan presented to THAI's board earlier this year shows that by 2026, the airline expects to have a fleet of 102 aircraft, compared to 88 currently.
According to Christopher Flint, Boeing's senior sales director for Asia Pacific, the company has offered a wide range of aircraft, ranging from the new B747 jumbo to the single-aisle B737 "Next Generation" aircraft.
Though the bulk of aircraft Boeing offered are passenger carriers, there are also dedicated brand-new freighters, as well as the conversion of THAI's B747 passenger jets to cargo haulage that will meet the airline's growing freight business.
The largest number of Boeing aircraft type that the company has proposed to the Thai carrier consist of the mid-sized, wide-body, twin-engine jet B787-30.
The other types of aircraft offered by Boeing are 18 of B777-300ER, the twin-engine aircraft that can fly 360 to 450 passengers non-stop over a distance of 14,500 km, and the so-called renewed B747, nicknamed Queen of the Skies which took to the air in 1970, with 10 for the passenger version (747-8 Intercontinental) and two for all-cargo jets (747-8F).
In an interview in Bangkok, Mr Flint said he believed Boeing had an edge over Airbus in respect to earlier availability of aircraft to THAI, especially the Dreamliners and the B747-8s.
He said the first Dreamliners, the aircraft high on THAI's shopping list, can be delivered to THAI as soon as 2013 or 2014, years ahead of the A350XWB, Airbus's competing jet, which also has high carbon composite content, advanced technology and fuel efficiency.
The A350XWB, the 900 version, will debut in 2013 with the first aircraft going to Qatar Airways, to be followed by the 270-seat A350-800 in 2014. An even-larger variant with 350 seats, the A350-1000, is scheduled to enter service in late 2015.
The Dreamliners can be available to THAI, 3-4 units each year starting in 2013-2014, by aircraft leasing firms which had advanced bookings for the long-awaited jetliner.
Last month, Jean-Jacques Boissin, Airbus's Southeast Asia sales director, told the Bangkok Post that the earliest that Airbus could deliver the first A350 to THAI is 2017 due to a substantial backlog of more than 530 orders.
Ralph Boyce, the former US ambassador to Thailand and now serving as president of Boeing for Southeast Asia, said the contest against Airbus to land the massive aircraft contract with THAI would be fierce.
He said Boeing's chance was 50:50 because Airbus was the only other competitor. "That's better than having a one-tenth (opportunity)," he quipped.
Mr Flint said Boeing would assist THAI in financial issues related to the acquisition of its aircraft by means of leasing, through firms such as GE Capital and the Bank of China-owned BOC Aviation, and/or outright purchasing.
"We can offer help in finding advance payment or securing an US Exim bank guarantee, among others," he said.
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par Jeannot Ven 08 Oct 2010, 11:50
ICes avions ont-ils été commandés ?THAI to lease eight Boeings
Thai Airways International has clinched a deal to lease eight brand-new large-capacity long-haul Boeing jets from BOC Aviation as part of its ongoing fleet renewal.
The leasing unit of Bank of China was chosen over two other contenders, Dubai Aerospace Enterprise (DAE) and Dublin-based AWAS, which were unable to make available the required eight B777-300ER planes.
DAE could only spare four while AWAS has two for leasing to THAI, according to THAI insiders.
Under the deal sealed recently, BOC will lease the aircraft for 12 years at US$1.15 million a month per jet, plus a "commitment fee" of $5.87 million per aircraft, a charge that will not be returned to the airline.
BOC, wholly owned by Bank of China, one of the 10 largest banks in the world, will deliver the first plane to THAI in August 2012 with the last due in October 2013.
The eight B777-300ERs will be used on European routes, replacing ageing B747-400s and the B777-300ERs that THAI has leased from India's Jet Airways and will give up the fleet upon the expiry of the three-year lease by then.
The new aircraft provided by BOC will be configured with two classes, 40 seats in business class and 306 in economy class.
The business class will have flat-bed seats while the economy seats will be equipped with personal screens featuring inflight audio-video on-demand systems.
All these features are not currently available in most THAI's aircraft, except the three B777-300ERs leased from Jet Airways.
The eight B777-300ERs leased from BOC form parts of the 15 mid-size wide-body aircraft acquisition approved earlier this year by the THAI board to conform with the aircraft replacement programme for medium to short-haul routes.
The seven other aircraft, Airbus A330- 300s, have earlier been ordered by THAI and are due to join the fleet in stages, starting from mid-November 2011 to April 2013.
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par SEVRIEN Ven 15 Oct 2010, 15:36
Ceci renforce encore la relation entre la Cie., l’avionneur et le motoriste, et la position de RR dans cette partie du globe.
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Rolls-Royce wins $390 million order from Thai Airways
Thursday, 14 October 2010
Cette 'déclaration de rituel' n'est pas du bla-bla !Rolls-Royce, the global power systems company, has won an order worth $390m at list prices from THAI Airways International for Trent 700 engines to power an additional seven Airbus A330 aircraft. The order includes a TotalCare long-term service agreement for the aircraft which will be delivered from 2011.
Nick Devall, Rolls-Royce Executive Vice President Customer Business – Civil Aerospace, said: “THAI is a very important customer and we are delighted that they have once again demonstrated their confidence in Rolls-Royce. The combination of the Trent 700 and the TotalCare support package will deliver to THAI significant reliability and performance benefits to enhance their operation.”
C'est une très bonne affaire pour Airbus, aussi ! Voir les faits ci-après !Captain Montree Jumrieng, THAI Managing Director – Technical Department, said: “The Trent 700 has again proven to be the best economic and environmental solution for our A330 fleet. We have had a long and successful partnership with Rolls-Royce and this latest selection will further strengthen our relationship.”
Oui.The Trent 700 is the only engine specifically designed for the Airbus A330 and over 1,000 are now in service or on firm order. The engine remains the market leader for the aircraft, capturing 75 per cent of orders over the last three years. The engine offers outstanding levels of performance while delivering the highest available thrust.
Cela parle , tout de même ! Les faits son plus parlants que les hypothèses et le DPO, n'est-ce pas ?THAI, which already operates eight Trent 700-powered A330s, was launch customer for the Trent 800 on the Boeing 777 and now has 20 of the aircraft in its fleet. It also operates ten Trent 500-powered Airbus A340s and has selected the Trent 900 to power six A380 aircraft, with all of the Trent fleet supported by TotalCare.
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par Jeannot Mar 02 Nov 2010, 08:44
BOC Aviation orders eight 777s for lease to THAI
Singapore-based aircraft lessor BOC Aviation has placed an order for eight Boeing 777-300ERs to be leased to Thai Airways International on a long-term basis.
Powered by General Electric GE90-115BL engines, the will be delivered from August 2012 to October 2013, says the lessor.
This is the first time that it is working with Thailand's flag carrier, says BOC Aviation, owned by Bank of China.
"These additional Boeing 777-300ERs support Thai's commitment to expanding market presence while delivering profitable growth," says Marlin Dailey, VP of sales and marketing for Boeing Commercial Airplanes.
Including the latest purchase, BOC Aviation has 13 widebody aircraft on firm order and another four on committed purchase and leaseback for delivery through to 2013.
"We are in the process of replenishing our order book as air traffic has returned strongly. With the order of these eight Boeing 777-300ERs for lease to Thai, we have further strengthened the quality of both our lease and aircraft portfolios," says Robert Martin, managing director and CEO, BOC Aviation.
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par SEVRIEN Mer 03 Nov 2010, 08:47
Oh, là, là !Jeannot a écrit:BOC aviation commande 8 777-300ERs pour les louer à Thai Airwaysa besoin deBOC Aviation orders eight 777s for lease to THAI
Singapore-based aircraft lessor BOC Aviation has placed an order for eight Boeing 777-300ERs to be leased to Thai Airways International on a long-term basis.
Powered by General Electric GE90-115BL engines, the will be delivered from August 2012 to October 2013, says the lessor.
This is the first time that it is working with Thailand's flag carrier, says BOC Aviation, owned by Bank of China.
"These additional Boeing 777-300ERs support Thai's commitment to expanding market presence while delivering profitable growth," says Marlin Dailey, VP of sales and marketing for Boeing Commercial Airplanes.
Including the latest purchase, BOC Aviation has 13 widebody aircraft on firm order and another four on committed purchase and leaseback for delivery through to 2013.
"We are in the process of replenishing our order book as air traffic has returned strongly. With the order of these eight Boeing 777-300ERs for lease to Thai, we have further strengthened the quality of both our lease and aircraft portfolios," says Robert Martin, managing director and CEO, BOC Aviation.
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Par les temps qui courent, il n'est pas inutile d'avoir cet avion en portefeuille, car il va y avoir des "pochettes" de manque de PUC, notamment pour des gros porteurs, .... là où les opérateurs ne veulent plus faire voler leurs B747 "gourmands" !
Mais, bon nombre de ces opérateurs, tels que THAI, ne veulent surtout pas s'affubler de B777-300ER en tant que 'propriétaires' !
Et, compte tenu de l'AD de la FAA (sous la surveillance du NTSB) qui pèse, et qui va peser pendant 7 ans encore, au moins, sur cet appareil (sur les GE90-115B, en réalité), il était et demeurte hors de question d'acquérir un appareil de ce type !
Et, de toutes façons, même si THAI a besoin du PUC, la Cie. ne veut pas la responsabilité de ce type de moteur dans sa flotte ! ;)
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Re: Thai Airways : TG : THA :
par Nils Ven 17 Déc 2010, 13:26
La rénovation des 747 de Thai, mais aussi des B-777, A 340-600 et, ça vaut son pesant de cacahuètes, celle des A 340-500 : à suivre de près pour ces derniers ! ( BE Aerospace...??? )
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........B/E Aerospace will supply the first class and economy class seats on the 747s, while EADS Sogerma Services will provide the business class seats.
Panasonic Avionics will supply the in-flight entertainment system and in-seat power supply system.
Thai will also retrofit another six 747s from 2011 to 2012 with new seats and personal in-flight entertainment system screens in economy class. During the same period, it will add personal screens to economy class in eight Boeing 777-200s.
From 2012 to 2017, the carrier will progressively carry out improvements to cabin interiors and in-flight products on six A340-600s, four A340-500s and six 777-200ERs.
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par Forsythe Ven 14 Jan 2011, 22:33
Projet d'acquisition, déjà passé ici.
Passage de 39 à 49 % du capital de Nok Air
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January 14, 2011
Thai Airways said on Friday its cabin factor, the percentage of seats sold, was at 73.7 percent in 2010, up 0.8 percentage points from 2009, and it planned to expand its fleet in the next seven years.
Its board has approved plans to take delivery of 26 new aircraft in 2011-2017 --
12 Airbus A330-300s and eight Boeing 777-300ERs plus six Airbus A380-800s, it said in a statement after a board meeting.
As part of a plan to boost efficiency and save costs, Thai Airways will increase the number of planes in its fleet to 105 by the end of 2017 from 85 now.
It plans to buy 37 new planes and boost the number of flights during that period, decommissioning older aircraft.
The airline expected operating revenue growth of 7-10 percent per year in its long-term business plan ending 2017, while growth in passenger numbers should be in line with that of the overall industry at 5 percent, it said.
Thai Airways' cabin factor was 75.3 percent in December, up 4.9 points from November, it said.
Thai also planned to spend THB150 million baht (USD$4.9 million) to raise its stake in its budget airline, Nok Air, to 49 percent from 39 percent.
The airline would buy 5 million shares in Nok Air at 30 baht each from Krung Thai Bank, pending negotiations with the state bank.
The airline will raise employee salaries by 7 percent and pay a bonus worth three months of salary for the improved performance in 2010, it said.
It reported a net profit of THB12.4 billion (USD$407 million) in the first nine months, thanks to cost-cutting and a recovery in tourism after a period of political unrest that ended in May.
(Reuters)
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Thai Airways Aims For The Big Leagues
Thai Airways International’s outspoken president, Piyasvasti Amranand, has set the goal of transforming Thai into one of the world’s top five airlines. This will be tough to achieve, but not impossible.
The national carrier’s board this month approved an investment plan for 2011-17 in which 37 aircraft will be acquired to replace older types and aid expansion.
This is in addition to the seven Airbus A330s, eight Boeing 777-300ERs and six A380s the airline already has on order. It is unclear when the board will decide on aircraft types for the additional order, but the widebodies in contention are thes A330, A350, and A380, and 777, 787 and 747-8. Thai also wants to replace its 737-400 narrowbodies, and is looking at new A320s and 737s. It plans to add 11 narrowbodies in all, but some may be leased.
Thai will be hoping the new aircraft will elevate its standing in the minds of consumers. One event that will definitely grab the attention of the public is when Thai takes delivery in the latter part of 2012 of its first three A380s. The remaining three on order are scheduled to be delivered in early 2013.
The national carrier has always had the potential to be one of the world’s top carriers but, unlike rival Singapore Airlines, Thai has failed to offer a consistent level of service. Instead it has stumbled over the years and lost its way. This is evident in the make-up of its current fleet. It is still operating A300s, a type that most passenger airlines discarded long ago. There are also five 737-400s, too small a number to make any operational sense. As for widebodies, Thai has failed to keep to one engine manufacturer for each aircraft type. So, for example, some of its A330s are powered by Rolls-Royce engines, and others by Pratt & Whitney’s.
If you speak to Amranand, he will attribute the carrier’s problems over the years to excessive political oversight. Successive Thai governments have appointed the national carrier’s board and president and interfered in the running of the airline, he says. As a consequence, the national carrier has had myriad presidents and board changes.
But Amranand asserts that the status quo is about to change because he is working toward ensuring Thai is no longer a state enterprise. “If we lose the state enterprise status it will make a difference. The prime minister and the finance minister understand this well,” he says, referring to two Democrat Party politicians who also are his political backers.
The plan is for the finance ministry to reduce its Thai stake to 49% from 51% so it will no longer be classified as a state enterprise. Thai was unable to achieve this goal in the past because some of its loans have covenants requiring the finance ministry to be a 51% shareholder, says Amranand. But in recent months Thai has renegotiated many of the loans to have this provision taken out and—now that the airline is recapitalized—Amranand says he is hopeful the others will agree to do likewise.
The airline’s board, meanwhile, has undergone a major shift in how it operates. “There was a long history of intervention by the board and the board was doing everything,” says Amranand. “The board members were dividing up various jobs of the airline among themselves. You had one member negotiating with the banks, another doing fleet plans and yet another looking at seats. They were taking over the job of management and management stopped thinking and followed orders. I didn’t join Thai Airways to be chief operating officer but CEO,” he adds.
Amranand is also championing better corporate governance, a not-so-subtle reference to his clampdown on corporate corruption. Senior executives at the airline say he recently put the management team through a corporate governance course that was held over successive weekends. Amranand made a point of attending each class to see who showed up, add the executives.
“Corporate governance is crucial,” says Amranand, adding that bad corporate governance “is a problem in Thai Airways but the situation is improving.” He says management now knows that “no matter how high you are in the company, if you misbehave you cannot stay on with the airline. “This is the most important change I can make. If I don’t change the corporate culture, then when I go the carrier will just revert back to its old ways.”
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La compagnie aérienne Vietnam Airlines, qui est intéressée par l’achat de quatre Airbus A380, devrait attendre la finalisation de la prochaine version de l’avion géant, l’A380-800, avant de passer commande.
Vietnam Airlines attend la nouvelle version.
La compagnie aérienne Vietnam Airlines, qui est intéressée par l’achat de quatre Airbus A380, devrait attendre la finalisation de la prochaine version de l’avion géant, l’A380-800, avant de passer commande.
Oui.
Airbus doit en effet commencer dans quelques mois la production de la version « augmentée » de son A380, dont le premier exemplaire devrait être livré à British Airways en 2013.
Comme nous l'avions indiqué il y a quelque temps.
Cette nouvelle version, A380-800, verra son poids au décollage augmenter de quatre tonnes à 573 tonnes et son rayon d’action gagner 190 kilomètres à 15 360. Surtout, ces changements lui permettront d’emporter une tonne et demie de cargaison supplémentaire. Une évolution qui aurait été réclamée au constructeur européen par des clients qui considéraient le Boeing 747-8I.
Oui. Déjà dépassé par l'A380, le B747-8I sera obligé de ressentir le fait qu'Airbus enfoncera le clou de manière appropriée, pour permettre à Airbus d'accentuer sa modernité et ses capacités de performance, par rapport à celles du B747-81. Ce dernier va confirmer la description de "old hat" avancée par SIA, quand ce dernier a dit pour la deuxième ou troisième fois qu'il écartait ce Boeing de ses options.
L’évolution de l’A380 passe par un renforcement des structures du fuselage et par des ailes ayant une plus grande souplesse pour améliorer leur aérodynamisme. Ces changements ne pourront être faits a posteriori, les appareils déjà livrés ou en construction ne pourront donc pas en bénéficier. En revanche les réacteurs restent les Rolls Royce Trent 900, qui ne nécessiteront pas d’augmentation de la poussée.
Absolument. Mais il ne serait pas étonnant que la version "EP" ("Enhanced Performance"), ... du RR Trent 900 'sorte' pour son EIS, lors de la première livraison à BA. Cathay Pacific est intéressé par cette version de l'A380-800, ... mais lorgne, comme d'autres compagnies aériennes, sur la version "stretch" / 'allongée' qu'est l'A380-900 !
Vietnam Airlines a annoncé qu’elle attendra d’avoir tous les détails techniques de l’A380-800 avant de décider de passer commande ferme des quatre appareils. Airbus aurait déjà promis à la compagnie vietnamienne une livraison de l’A380-800 en 2014 ou 2015, à condition bien sûr qu’elle ne tarde pas trop à signer le contrat. Outre British Airways, Singapore Airlines a également commandé dix exemplaires de la nouvelle version.
Oui ! Il est dit que Qantas & Lufthansa, MAS & Thai passeront des commandes, aussi. Aussi, le bruit court que, lorsque Qatar passera ses nouvelles commandes, il se pourrait que lui confirme ce genre de nouvelle et annonce son choix en faveur du du RR Trent 900 avec ses "enhancements". Bien entendu, on chuchote les mêmes rumeurs pour l'airframe et les moteurs des A380-800 destnés à Virgin Atlantique.
On verra !
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par Jeannot Mar 05 Avr 2011, 19:44
Thai Airways may split aircraft order
Airways THAI.BK may split its order for the wide-body aircraft it plans to add to its fleet by 2017 between Airbus and Boeing, the airline's president said.
"The wide-bodies could be A350s and/or 787s, and they could also be supplemented with some 777s," Piyasvasti Amranand told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday.
Thai Airways, 51 percent owned by the Thai Finance Ministry, has said it plans to add 37 aircraft -- 11 narrow-bodies and 26 wide-bodies -- worth about 216 billion Thai baht by 2017 to replace some of its older planes and expand its fleet.
If the carrier decided on some Airbus A350s, it would probably choose the A350-900 as the A350-800 is "too small".
No final decision has been made yet on what types of aircraft the carrier will order as the government first needs to sign off on its plans to acquire more planes.
"The timeframe (for a decision) is probably going to be the middle of this year. The contract signing could come shortly after that," Amranand said.
He said he was happy for Airbus and Boeing to compete for the planned orders, which could be for delivery from 2013.
"Playing one manufacturer off the other can often be a good thing," he said.
The planned narrow-body orders will not be for latest-generation aircraft, he said.
"We need them as soon as possible," Amranand said, adding these aircraft may be added to the fleet by the end of this year.
"These could be A320s, Boeing 737s, something along those lines."
He said the company had not yet decided whether to order more A380 aircraft, in addition to six it has already ordered. "It's very large. It's hard to fill up in the off season."
The orders will boost Thai Airways' fleet to 105 planes from 85 now and reduce the average age of its aircraft to about 8.5 years from 11.5 years.
COPING MECHANISM
Airlines around the world have used a number of strategies to cope with the rising cost of jet fuel, including hedging, dropping less profitable routes and replacing old gas-guzzling aircraft with newer, more efficient ones.
Thai Airways has said soaring oil prices may cause it to review its target for 2011 revenue of about 200 billion baht. Amranand said there was no new target yet.
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par Jeannot Mar 19 Avr 2011, 16:02
Thai Airways gives details of 507-seat A380 configuration
Thai Airways has released details of its planned seating configuration for its forthcoming Airbus A380 aircraft.
Thai plans to seat 507 passengers in three classes: 12 in first, 60 in business, and 435 in economy, according to [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien].
As our updated A380 chart, below, indicates, Thai will have the same number of premium seats as Singapore Airlines but more economy seats, suggesting Thai will seat cabins on different decks from Singapore or will be squeezing more seats in.
The A380 may prove a challenge for the carrier, Thai Airways President Piyasvasti Amranand [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien]. "It's very large. It's hard to fill up in the off season."
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par Jeannot Lun 25 Avr 2011, 07:08
Thai Airways cleared to pursue $15 billion fleet renewal plan
The Thai government gave Thai Airways the right to decide how it acquires aircraft, clearing the way for the carrier to move forward with a plan to buy or lease up to 75 aircraft over a 12-year period. Thai previously could only acquire aircraft under the direction of Thailand's Transport Ministry, which had pushed for all new acquisitions to be purchases rather than leases. Thai Airways President Piyasvasti Amranand believes the carrier should acquire aircraft through a mix of purchases and leases.
According to the Bangkok Post, the government's decision allows Thai to move forward with a plan to purchase or lease up to 75 aircraft over a 12-year period under a THB457.12 billion ($15.3 billion) budget. Piyasvasti said the airline will acquire new aircraft through a variety of means depending on its cash flow and debt.
The Bangkok Post reported that the aircraft will be acquired in two batches: 37 between now and 2017 and 38 from 2018-2022.
In a related development, the Thai board endorsed the leasing of two Boeing 777-300ERs from India's Jet Airways for two years with deliveries scheduled in October and November. The airline said it will also convert two 747-400s to freighters.
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par SEVRIEN Lun 25 Avr 2011, 09:51
Une telle répartition réfléchit / réfléchirait "la culture maison". Ceci confirmerait, aussi, que Thai aurait toutné la dos au B747-8I, même s'il peut rester intéressé par le B747-8F.Jeannot a écrit:Thai pourrait partager sa commande entre Airbus et Boeing (350-900 et 787-777)
Thai Airways may split aircraft order
C'est la procédure thailandaise.Airways THAI.BK may split its order for the wide-body aircraft it plans to add to its fleet by 2017 between Airbus and Boeing, the airline's president said.
"The wide-bodies could be A350s and/or 787s, and they could also be supplemented with some 777s," Piyasvasti Amranand told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday.
Thai Airways, 51 percent owned by the Thai Finance Ministry, has said it plans to add 37 aircraft -- 11 narrow-bodies and 26 wide-bodies -- worth about 216 billion Thai baht by 2017 to replace some of its older planes and expand its fleet.
If the carrier decided on some Airbus A350s, it would probably choose the A350-900 as the A350-800 is "too small".
No final decision has been made yet on what types of aircraft the carrier will order as the government first needs to sign off on its plans to acquire more planes.
Ceci est normal. Dès que l'autorisation d'une enveloppe a été accordé dans le principe, la ratificaion gouvernementale a tendance à suivre assez rapidement. Car le Gouvernement est discrètement "sondé" par la Cie. aérienne, pendant le processus de détermination du besoin et du budget possible. Le Gouvernement est discrètement & poliment consulté, préalalablement, pour assurer une autorisation, plutôt que de courir le risque d'un refus ou d'un long processus de discussions avec le gouvernement dans la "dernière ligne droite"."The timeframe (for a decision) is probably going to be the middle of this year. The contract signing could come shortly after that," Amranand said.
Cela fait partie, aussi, de la méthode thailandaise constatée, ... depuis des décennies !He said he was happy for Airbus and Boeing to compete for the planned orders, which could be for delivery from 2013.
"Playing one manufacturer off the other can often be a good thing," he said.
Voilà une nouvelle intéressante. Aussi, ceci rappelle Airbus, & LEAHY & Co. à leurs premières dires, .... selon lesquels, c'est bien le NEO qui serait l'option, et non pas les A320 "Legacy" ou "Classic" !The planned narrow-body orders will not be for latest-generation aircraft, he said.
"We need them as soon as possible," Amranand said, adding these aircraft may be added to the fleet by the end of this year.
"These could be A320s, Boeing 737s, something along those lines."
Car les "commandes du NEO qui n'en sont pas encore" (MoU n'est pas commande) semblent avoir créé une débauche d'euphorie chez Airbus et LEAHY & Co., qui a pris le pas sur cet 'engagement' !
Attendez que P&W soit obligé de reconnaître que son GTF aura besoin d'un "redesigned fan" et que, de toutes façons, les économies de consommation ne seront pas là, et que les coût d'entretien moteurs sera désagréablement élevés !
Thai ne se laissez pas avoir par le "blarney" de John LEAHY !
Oui.He said the company had not yet decided whether to order more A380 aircraft, in addition to six it has already ordered. "It's very large. It's hard to fill up in the off season."
The orders will boost Thai Airways' fleet to 105 planes from 85 now and reduce the average age of its aircraft to about 8.5 years from 11.5 years.
COPING MECHANISM
Compréhensible.Airlines around the world have used a number of strategies to cope with the rising cost of jet fuel, including hedging, dropping less profitable routes and replacing old gas-guzzling aircraft with newer, more efficient ones.
Thai Airways has said soaring oil prices may cause it to review its target for 2011 revenue of about 200 billion baht. Amranand said there was no new target yet.
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Cette autorisation est arrivée asssez rapidement, comme d'habitude.Jeannot a écrit:Thai Airways autorisée à lancer son plan de renouvellement de sa flotte (qui se fera en 2 phases (37 avions sur 2011-2017 et 38 sur 2018-2022))
Thai Airways cleared to pursue $15 billion fleet renewal plan
Ceci est un enjeu important depuis très longtemps. Si Thai se sent obligé de prendre des B777-300ER, pour une question de capacité PAX unitaire par appareil, la Cie. préférerait les prendre en leasing, pour éviter de se trouver scotchée avec les moteurs GE90-115B.The Thai government gave Thai Airways the right to decide how it acquires aircraft, clearing the way for the carrier to move forward with a plan to buy or lease up to 75 aircraft over a 12-year period. Thai previously could only acquire aircraft under the direction of Thailand's Transport Ministry, which had pushed for all new acquisitions to be purchases rather than leases. Thai Airways President Piyasvasti Amranand believes the carrier should acquire aircraft through a mix of purchases and leases.
The Bangkok Post reported that the aircraft will be acquired in two batches: 37 between now and 2017 and 38 from 2018-2022.[/quote]According to the Bangkok Post, the government's decision allows Thai to move forward with a plan to purchase or lease up to 75 aircraft over a 12-year period under a THB457.12 billion ($15.3 billion) budget. Piyasvasti said the airline will acquire new aircraft through a variety of means depending on its cash flow and debt.
Oui, ... mais cet aspect réfléchit la ligne de démaraction entre les commandes qui serong fermes, et les options.
Oui.In a related development, the Thai board endorsed the leasing of two Boeing 777-300ERs from India's Jet Airways for two years with deliveries scheduled in October and November. The airline said it will also convert two 747-400s to freighters.
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