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Nous avons attendu, .... et nous avons vu ! SEVRIEN a écrit:Et voila ! ----------
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Boeing gets Chinese approval for 200-aircraft deal By ...........
Boeing has received Chinese government approval for orders placed by Chinese airlines for 200 aircraft, worth $19 billion.
The aircraft comprise narrowbody 737s and widebody 777s and will be delivered between 2011 and 2013, says the US manufacturer.
Boeing was not immediately available to confirm whether the aircraft are included in previously announced commitments, or whether they are already included in the airframer's firm order backlog.
"No comment", ... sauf, ... "Wait & See" !
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China's 'new' jet orders anything but [quote]
The Seattle Times, 2011-01-20
By Dominic Gates, The Seattle Times
Jan. 20--The claim: A White House fact sheet released Wednesday to coincide with the state visit of Chinese President Hu Jintao said: "In preparation for this visit, several large purchases have been approved including for 200 Boeing airplanes. ... The approval, the final step in a $19 billion package of aircraft, will help Boeing maintain and expand its market share in the world's fastest growing commercial aircraft market."
Mais : "read on" ! What we found:
La politique "façon USA", est toujours aussi idiote que "chez" nous (en UE)."The deal President Hu signed does not include any new jet orders.
Delivering the formal approval during Hu's visit is designed to make the Chinese government appear responsive to U.S. concerns about the balance of trade.
However, all of the airplanes in the sale were announced and booked by Boeing as firm orders over the past four years. Chinese airlines had already paid non-refundable deposits and signed contracts for the jets, most of them as far back as 2007.
"The only thing new is (Chinese) government approval," said Boeing spokesman Miles Kotay.
Chinese airlines decide on orders somewhat independently, but the final deals must always be formally approved by the government.
Boeing vice president of communications Mary Foerster insisted this Chinese government sign-off is important.
"The deal isn't done until the approval is given," she said.
Tout cela est, donc, vrai !
When Hu visited France in November, a similar announcement was issued about the final approval of 102 Airbus jets.
Boeing said the 200 jets -- 185 Renton-built 737s and 15 Everett-built 777s -- were all originally ordered between 2007 and 2010, and are set for delivery by 2013.
Oui, ..... mais il semblerait que les 15 x B777 soient liés à une question de compensations. The total of 200 airplanes includes some sales to "unidentified customers," namely Chinese airlines that don't want their jet orders made public.
The White House announcement said the total value of the orders was $19 billion.
But that's the list price, which airline customers never pay.
Based on market data from aircraft-valuation consultancy Avitas, the actual price for those 200 planes is about $11 billion.
Oui, et là-dedans il y a un impact important des 15 x B777 ! De toutes façons, en ce qui concerne ces derniers, il ne s'agit pas d'une nouvelle fournée de commandes fraîches, ... surtout pas ! Il s'agit de créneaux pour options et droits d'achat, dont il est certain qu'il ne seront jamais exploités, et laisseront des créneaux de production plus la possibilité d'utilisation par Boeing, pour toutes ces opérations de compensation (des retards sur les B787), qui vont commencer à s'accumuler ! Voilà comment l'assèchement progressif et constant, depuis un certain temps (plusieurs années ; depuis 2006), du projet B777-300ER / -200LR, va produire des effets pervers, qui contribueront au prolongement de la vie de la production de ces B777. A son tour, ce fait pervers aura tendance à confirmer l'utilité et l'opportunité pour Boeing de viser plus tôt le remplacement des monocouloirs B737 NG, et par là, mettre la pression sur l'opération NEO d'Airbus, et donner seulment la deuxième priorité au remplacement des B777 dans son portefeuille d'offres ! Aussi, le bide qu'est le B747-8I, va inciter certzains clients, fidèles à Boeing, de faire des opérations de leasing, par exemple, ou d'acquisitions à vil prix (via compensations ou non), comme solution intermédaire, en attendant l'arrivée du vrai "Superbi-". Dans un sens, ceci arrange le motoriste RR, dont les Advance3 à forte poussée seront en train de faire parler d'eux, alors que GE et P&W seront à la tyraîne ! ;) And does this "maintain and expand" Boeing's position in China, expected to be the world's largest airplane market over the next two decades?
President Obama's deal for 200 jets sure sounds better than French President Nicolas Sarkozy's deal for 102. Seems like the U.S. is on top when it comes to aviation in China. Right?
Mais, ... ha ha, ... ho, ho !
Certainly, China remains a vital Boeing customer.
The Boeing order website shows unfilled orders from China for 256 jets: 57 mid-size wide-body Dreamliners, 38 large wide-body 777s, 10 747-8 jumbo freighters and 151 single-aisle 737s.
Then there's the additional jets going to unidentified customers in China. But even with those, the tally is unlikely to climb much higher than about 300.
Oui ! But while that's a handsome chunk of business that will help maintain jobs here in the Puget Sound region, Airbus appears even better positioned in China.
Oui ! Encore une raison pour laquelle l'aviation a vraiment besoind de la réussite du B787 !
Airbus has courted China assiduously to displace Boeing's former dominance there, even setting up an assembly line in Tianjin that in 2010 built and delivered 26 single-aisle A320 jets.
China has unfilled orders for 416 Airbus airplanes: five A380 superjumbos, 55 new A350 mid-size wide-bodies, 81 current A330 mid-sized wide-bodies, and 275 single-aisle A320 family jets.
Oui ! Boeing was left rather embarrassed Wednesday as its public-relations team faced skeptical press questioning of an announcement the company had little to do with, one that was merely political window dressing for President Hu's state visit.
Alan Tonelson, a research analyst with a foundation attached to the U.S. Business & Industry Council, which represents small to medium-sized U.S. manufacturers critical of Chinese trade policies, called the announcement political "fakery."
"The president should get out of the business of trumpeting phony export deals that won't create a single new job, and get serious about combating the Chinese predatory trade policies," said Tonelson.
Remarque intéressante, par un citoyen libre et indépendant .... d'esprit, notamment !
Our verdict: The Chinese orders are real and will help keep Boeing workers busy here through 2013. Still, the White House announcement, while technically true, left a completely false impression.
The orders weren't new. They weren't really worth $19 billion. And Boeing isn't soaring ahead of its big global rival with this deal.
An accurate headline for the news might have said: Hu finally signs off on old orders for U.S. jets, but Boeing still lags Airbus in China
Les Agités de Service, anti-Airbus, et autres 'bourrés de parti-pris et de mauvaise foi', ... feraient mieux de voir clair ! Il faudraient qu'ils enlèvent leurs lunettes en bois ! :lol: Réactions ?