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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Mar 21 Sep 2010, 12:51
Vu sur Airliners les projets de mise en ligne du 380.
China Southern was considering the A380 for PEK-JFK, and PEK-LHR, but unable to obtain desired slots. It was further complicated by the 'objections' from Air China, so these two cities are now on-hold. China Southern recalled its two business represenatives from NYC and LHR earlier this year, but maintained the one in Vancouver. It is almost 100% sure that China Southern will start the Canton-Vancouverrun in Q3 of 2011, 50/50 chance it would use the A380, depending on a number of issues, range is one of them. China Southern application to fly Pékin-Vancouver was declined by CAAC, but has yet to apply for Pekin-Toronto of which should have no problem.
There are plans to use the A380 for San Francisco, Dallas Washington DC, and Chicago. While the LAX run currently using the very aged B777 IGW would be replaced by B787 upon delivery and not the A380. The earlier plan of the B777 IGW CAN-LAX having a 5th Freedom stopover in YVR is now on-hold.
China Southern is being actively 'court' by many North America airports at Routes Conference currently being held in Vancouver (20-21 Sep), and gossip so far at pre-Conference dine and wine sessions were that YVR will likely get first A380 flight, followed by London of which CZ is willing to 'pay for' a slot !!!
More to follow after I attend the Conference tomorrow.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Jeu 28 Oct 2010, 19:56
Résultat toujours en belle progression au troisième trimestre.
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China Southern reports‘almost tenfold’ earnings increase over year-ago quarter
China Southern Airlines announced Wednesday that it earned CNY3.04 billion ($457 million) in the third quarter, an almost tenfold increase over CNY284 million in net income in the year-ago quarter.
The carrier credited “robust growth of domestic market” and yuan appreciation for the improved performance.
Operating revenue climbed 45.2% to CNY23.15 billion while operating expenses jumped 19.6% to CNY18.88 billion. CZ didn’t provide passenger or cargo statistics for the period.
Industry analysts widely hold that China’s big three all should report profits in the third quarter. According to one published estimate, Air China and China Eastern could report earnings of CNY4 billion and CNY3 billion, respectively, for the period.
Earnings for the first nine months of the year totaled CNY5.12 billion and CZ is expected to be profitable in the fourth quarter as well owing to continued strong domestic market demand and a traffic boost from the Asia Games held in November.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Jeu 28 Oct 2010, 23:07
Merci pour ces derniers posts, Jeannot.
China Southern affiche une santé impressionnante, ... étonnante même !
China Southern affiche une santé impressionnante, ... étonnante même !
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Jeu 04 Nov 2010, 11:37
La companie aérienne chinoise China Southern Airlines a annoncé ce jeudi une commande de 36 avions (six Airbus A330 et 30 Airbus A320) auprès d'Airbus. Un contrat d'une valeur de 3,78 milliards de dollars.
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China Southern achète 36 Airbus
La companie aérienne chinoise China Southern Airlines a annoncé ce jeudi une commande de 36 avions auprès d'Airbus. Un contrat d'une valeur de 3,78 milliards de dollars.
Dans un communiqué transmis à l'autorité hong-kongaise des marchés financiers, le transporteur précise qu'il souhaite acquérir six Airbus A330 et 30 Airbus A320.
Il n'est pas certain, dans l'immédiat, que cette commande fasse partie du plan d'achat d'une centaine d'avions que la Chine négocie actuellement avec Airbus.
Des sources proches de la situation avaient auparavant déclaré à Reuters qu'Airbus était en négociation pour une vente plus large d'avions qui devait être annoncée lors de la visite du président chinois Hu Jintao en France, du 4 au 6 novembre.
Le président chinois Hu Jintao entame ce jeudi sa visite de trois jours en France. Une [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] est attendue. Ces derniers jours, des informations circulaient sur la négociation entre Airbus (maison mère : EADS) et la Chine pour la vente d'une d'une centaine d'avions de ligne. Cette commande potentielle d'au moins dix milliards de dollars est l'un des quelques gros contrats attendus par les entreprises françaises, tandis que des contacts préliminaires pourraient être noués entre la Chine et Dassault Aviation en vue d'une coopération dans les avions d'affaires, ont précisé ces sources.
En marge de ces contrats, Airbus a annoncé mercredi, que BOC Aviation, filiale spécialisée en leasing d'avions de Bank of China, basée à Singapour, avait signé un contrat portant sur la commande ferme de 30 appareils de la famille A320.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Mar 11 Jan 2011, 06:53
CDB Leasing (Chine) commande 10 E190s pour China Southern
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CDB LEASING, FROM CHINA, SIGNS FOR TEN EMBRAER 190 JETS
São José dos Campos, January 10, 2011 – Embraer confirmed the sale of ten EMBRAER 190s to CDB Leasing Co., Ltd. (CLC), of China, today. The jets will be operated by China Southern, the country’s largest airline, and the third in the world. The aircraft will be used to develop new markets, and the first delivery is expected for the second half of 2011.
“Embraer is delighted to complete the first operation under the Memorandum of Understanding signed with CDB Leasing, in 2009, for the purchase and leasing of E-Jets. This deal reaffirms their strong recognition and confidence in our products, as well as in the prospects for China’s regional aviation growth,” said Paulo César de Souza e Silva, Embraer Executive Vice President, Airline Market. “We are proud to welcome China Southern as the newest E-Jet operator and another prominent airline on our customer roster. We are certain that the EMBRAER 190 will be an important tool to support the company’s market development strategy.”
“We are very pleased to make this significant deal with Embraer, and are honored to cooperate with China Southern, again. This transaction is an important measure to support the airline’s aviation market expansion in Xinjiang and the economic development of the Xinjiang region. The deal will facilitate the strategic partnership between CLC and Embraer,” said Vice President Wu Rongyang, CDB Leasing Co., Ltd.
“China Southern enjoys the good partnership with Embraer and is full of confidence in its products. The EMBRAER 190 is a successful type of aircraft with proven economics and performance, and it is well received by the market. These aircraft will be operated in Xinjiang to boost the economic development of the region. The partnership between China Southern and Embraer will certainly be further consolidated,” said Xu Jiebo, Vice President of China Southern Airlines Co., Ltd.
The deal is within the framework of a Memorandum of Understanding signed by Embraer and CLC, in December 2009, which aims to create financing opportunities for selling Embraer aircraft to the Chinese and international markets. CLC is a major financial leasing company held by the China Development Bank, and one of the most important international aviation financing institutions.
China Southern has been an operator of Embraer’s ERJ 145, since 2004, with a fleet of six jets providing regional aviation services. In 2009, the company was awarded by Embraer for its successful operation of this aircraft model, in terms of pilot training, market development and maintenance improvement.
The EMBRAER 190 went into operation in the Chinese market in 2008. Today, 80 aircraft produced by Embraer are in service in China, including the 70- to 122-seat E-Jets, the 37- to 50-seat ERJ 145 regional jet family, and the Legacy 600 executive jet. With this new order, 29 EMBRAER 190s will be delivered to China in the coming years.
The EMBRAER 190 is the third of four members of Embraer’s E-Jets family. Its cabin may be configured in one or two classes, seating 98 to 114 passengers in a comfortable four-abreast (2x2) configuration with no middle seat. The jet can fly up to 2,400 nautical miles (4,450 kilometers) nonstop. At the present time, more than 700 E-Jets are operated, worldwide, and have accumulated over 5 million flight hours.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Mar 11 Jan 2011, 10:06
Bonjour, chers tous. Merci, Jeannot.
Oui! Ce n'est pas l'annonce des CSeries (ou du MRJ-90, et d'autres offres en Chine ou pour la Chine) qui va balayer, du jour au lendemain, la présence d'Embraer, et sa base installée générale en Chine ! ;)
Oui! Ce n'est pas l'annonce des CSeries (ou du MRJ-90, et d'autres offres en Chine ou pour la Chine) qui va balayer, du jour au lendemain, la présence d'Embraer, et sa base installée générale en Chine ! ;)
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Ven 04 Mar 2011, 18:20
Excellente perspective pour le Groupe RR (RR plc) !
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Ceci ne sera qu'un début en Chine, pour l'Airbus A380, à motorisation RR Trent 900 !
Merci, China Southern !
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Ceci ne sera qu'un début en Chine, pour l'Airbus A380, à motorisation RR Trent 900 !
Merci, China Southern !
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SEVRIEN a écrit:Bonjour, chers tous. Merci pour ce post, Jeannot.
La flotte de la famille Airbus va augmenter concrètement sa base livrée, simultanément en terme de variété et de géographie. Il en sera de même pour RR, dont il doit s'agira des premières livraisons (imminentes) en Chine du fabuleux RR Trent 900 !
----------------------------Jeannot a écrit:Premier vol du premier 380 de China SoutherneChina Southern's first A380 makes maiden flight
China Southern Airlines' first Airbus A380 made its maiden flight today to Hamburg from Toulouse, after completing final assembly and system tests.
The aircraft is at Airbus' facilities in Hamburg now to undergo cabin installation and painting. It will be delivered later this year to China Southern, which will be the seventh A380 operator.
The Guangzhou-based carrier has ordered five A380s, which will be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Jeu 12 Mai 2011, 09:10
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Date : May 12, 2011.
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Air Lease Corp. inks deals with Asian carriers for 29 aircraft
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Pas de NEO, donc, à ce stade. Et cela en repousse le besoin éventuel. Et les Cies. chinoises connaissent bien P&W. Oui, ... ils connaissent bien P&W !
Et les B737-800, équipés de CFM-56-7BE, montreront de nouvelles qualités par rapport aux mêmes types d'appareil ayant les versions antéreures de moteurs CFM-56.
Noté. ALC tisse sa toile dans cette partie du globe.
La motorisation des A320 seront, vraisemblablement, des IAE V2500 (P&W ne refusera pas ; MTU et ses cocus, non plus). Celle des A330-200 pourraient bien être des RR Trent 772B-EP.
SUH / ALC sera écouté, quand il dira ce qu'il aura à dire sur les NEO !
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Date : May 12, 2011.
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Air Lease Corp. inks deals with Asian carriers for 29 aircraft
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Air Lease Corp. signed long-term lease agreements for 29 aircraft with Asian airlines.
China Eastern Airlines will lease 10 new Airbus A320-200s and five new Boeing 737-800s, for delivery in 2012 and 2013, in a transaction valued at approximately $700 million.
Pas de NEO, donc, à ce stade. Et cela en repousse le besoin éventuel. Et les Cies. chinoises connaissent bien P&W. Oui, ... ils connaissent bien P&W !
Et les B737-800, équipés de CFM-56-7BE, montreront de nouvelles qualités par rapport aux mêmes types d'appareil ayant les versions antéreures de moteurs CFM-56.
It will also acquire from CEA three 767-300ERs, two under lease with MIAT Mongolian, for delivery in May and November 2011, and one to Orient Thai Airlines for delivery in August 2011.
Noté. ALC tisse sa toile dans cette partie du globe.
The lessor also signed a long-term lease agreement with China Southern Airlines for two new A320-200s for delivery in November and December, and a 12-year agreement with Air China for two new A330-200s for delivery in July and October.
La motorisation des A320 seront, vraisemblablement, des IAE V2500 (P&W ne refusera pas ; MTU et ses cocus, non plus). Celle des A330-200 pourraient bien être des RR Trent 772B-EP.
It entered into an eight-year lease agreement with Asiana Airlines for two new A321-200s for delivery in May and November 2012, and a 10-year agreement for one new A330-300 for delivery in July 2012, as well as a 12-year agreement with Garuda Indonesia for three new 737-800s for delivery in November 2013, December 2013 and September 2014. It will also lease two used 767-300ERs to be delivered in May and November this year, and one new 737-800 for delivery in May 2014, to MIAT Mongolian Airlines.
“Airlines in the Asia-Pacific region have been working closely with ALC management to develop long-term jet aircraft leasing programs to cover both growth and replacement requirements,” said ALC Chairman and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy.
SUH / ALC sera écouté, quand il dira ce qu'il aura à dire sur les NEO !
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Lun 20 Juin 2011, 17:30
Merci pour la belle photo (malgré le temps maussade ! ).
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Mar 12 Juil 2011, 11:04
China Southern va mettre en ligne ses A380s sur des lignes intérieures.
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China Southern to operate A380 on domestic routes
China Southern Airlines will operate its new Airbus A380s on daily domestic Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.
This would make the SkyTeam alliance member the first operator of the superjumbo to deploy the aircraft on domestic routes. This is due to high domestic demand for air services on both routes, said a company official.
The other existing A380 operators - Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Qantas Airways, Air France and Korean Air - only deploy them on international services.
China Southern will receive its first A380 in September and its second A380 in November, the airline's chairman Si Xianmin told Air Transport Intelligence in June.
Ticket sales for both domestic services will begin on 20 September, but a decision has not been made on when services will begin, said the company official.
China Southern's first international A380 service will be on the Guangzhou-Paris route, added the official.
The airline could increase the frequency on all three A380 services by end-2011.
It could also operate the aircraft on services to the USA, Si told ATI in June.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Mar 12 Juil 2011, 13:01
Bonjour, chers tous. Merci, Jeannot.
Jeannot a écrit:China Southern va mettre en ligne ses A380s sur des lignes intérieures.
China Southern to operate A380 on domestic routes
China Southern Airlines will operate its new Airbus A380s on daily domestic Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.
This would make the SkyTeam alliance member the first operator of the superjumbo to deploy the aircraft on domestic routes. This is due to high domestic demand for air services on both routes, said a company official.
The other existing A380 operators - Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Qantas Airways, Air France and Korean Air - only deploy them on international services.
China Southern will receive its first A380 in September and its second A380 in November, the airline's chairman Si Xianmin told Air Transport Intelligence in June.
Ticket sales for both domestic services will begin on 20 September, but a decision has not been made on when services will begin, said the company official.
China Southern's first international A380 service will be on the Guangzhou-Paris route, added the official.
The airline could increase the frequency on all three A380 services by end-2011.
It could also operate the aircraft on services to the USA, Si told ATI in June.
Ceci aura le mérite de démontrer la supériorité du RR Trent 900 en terme de souplesse d'exploiitation, de l'appareil, surtout quand il s'agira de montrer l'adaptabilité de l'appareil aux différents itinéraires, à segments variés, notamment courts !
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Mer 07 Sep 2011, 08:57
Bonjour, chers tous.
"China Southern" sera la 1ère Cie. aérienne à utiliser l'A380 sur des vols intérieurs. Mais, ... voir remarques ci-dessous.
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Date : 07/09/11.SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
China Southern first to use A380 on domestic services
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Si l'on accepte l'UE comme une vraie Union, ... il est difficile de considérer un vol Paris-Londres / Londres-Paris comme un vol intérieur à l'UE (domestic EU flight) !
Mais, ..... il est vrai que 'l'Europe' n'est pas encore 'faite' !
"China Southern" sera la 1ère Cie. aérienne à utiliser l'A380 sur des vols intérieurs. Mais, ... voir remarques ci-dessous.
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Date : 07/09/11.SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
China Southern first to use A380 on domestic services
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NB : AF a fait un paquet de voyages Paris-Londres et Londres-Paris (350 kms), effectués par ses A380 (formation / prise en main des pilotes, ... essais des installations aéroportuaires à Roissy CDG & LHR ?) avec des passagers payants !China Southern Airlines will start domestic services using its new Airbus A380s on 18 October.
The SkyTeam alliance member will operate the aircraft on the Beijing-Guangzhou (Sevrien : 2,450 à 2,500 kms ? ) route on that date. A second daily A380 domestic service, on the Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao (Sevrien : 1,450 à 1,500 kms ? ) route, will start on 27 October, said a company official.
Si l'on accepte l'UE comme une vraie Union, ... il est difficile de considérer un vol Paris-Londres / Londres-Paris comme un vol intérieur à l'UE (domestic EU flight) !
Voir remarque ci-dessus !Its first international A380 service will be on the Guangzhou-Paris route. The launch date for this service has not been unveiled.
China Southern is the first operator of the aircraft to deploy it on domestic routes.
The other existing A380 operators - Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Qantas Airways, Air France and Korean Air - only deploy the aircraft on international services.
Mais, ..... il est vrai que 'l'Europe' n'est pas encore 'faite' !
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Ven 14 Oct 2011, 11:41
Donc Airbus a livré ce matin son prmier A380 à China Southern
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Airbus has delivered thAirbus delivers China Southern Airlines’ first A380
e first A380 to China Southern Airlines. During a very special celebration ceremony today at the Airbus Delivery Centre in Toulouse, France, the first out of five aircraft ordered was handed over from Airbus President and CEO, Tom Enders to China Southern Airlines Chairman, Si Xianmin.
China Southern Airlines becomes the first operator of the world's most eco-efficient aircraft in China and the 7th globally. Powered by Rolls-Royce Trend-900 engines, the aircraft will be initially operated on domestic routes between the major Chinese cities of Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou. Later on, the airline will deploy the A380 on international routes.
At the ceremony, China Southern Airlines unveiled its spacious and comfortable A380 cabin, featuring a total of 506 seats in a typical three class configuration, including eight luxury first-class suites, 70 lie-flat business-class seats and 428 economy-class seats. Passengers’ well–being will be enhanced through innovative mood lighting including several different lighting scenarios to create a relaxing atmosphere and environment. The state-of-the-art in-flight entertainment system makes it easy for passengers to select from a wide variety of audio and video programs and make their long-haul A380 trip something to remember. The cabin also offers seats and lavatories that are easily accessible to disabled passengers.
"We are proud to become the first A380 operator in China,” said Si Xianmin, Chairman of China Southern Airlines. “The introduction of the A380 in our fleet is a very important step for the development of China Southern. This most spacious and modern aircraft enables us, to offer our passengers world-standard comfort on our flights. The economics offered by the A380 will undoubtedly improve our competitiveness on international routes and is the perfect asset to make China Southern Airlines achieve its goal of becoming a leading global carrier.”
"We offer China Southern Airlines our warmest welcome as the newest operator of the A380," said Tom Enders, President and CEO of Airbus. "The A380 has set new standards in comfort, economic efficiency and environmental performance. With the A380, China Southern Airlines will surely play a key role in the top league of the world's leading airlines."
Since entering service in 2007 the eco-efficient A380 has exceeded all expectations, flying more people further at lower cost (some 16 million passengers up to date). The spacious, the quieter cabin and the smooth ride have made the aircraft a favourite with passengers. This has resulted in higher than average load factors and increased profitability on A380 flights, providing airlines with a key competitive advantage wherever they operate the type. Typically seating 525 passengers in a three class layout, the A380 is capable of flying 8,300 nautical miles or 15,300 kilometres.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Ven 14 Oct 2011, 13:25
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Rolls-Royce powers China’s first A380 delivery
Friday, 14 October 2011
Le "repeat business" pour le motoriste est toujours encourageant.
Le discours du rituel.
Factuellement vrai.
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Rolls-Royce powers China’s first A380 delivery
Friday, 14 October 2011
Rolls-Royce, the global power systems company, today powers the delivery of the first Airbus A380 aircraft to a Chinese airline.
The aircraft is the first of five ordered by China Southern Airlines, all equipped with Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines, to be delivered.
Si Xianmin, Chairman, China Southern Airlines, said: “We have enjoyed a long and positive relationship with Rolls-Royce, operating a range of its engines in our current fleet, and look forward to this continuing in the future.”
Le "repeat business" pour le motoriste est toujours encourageant.
Phil Harris, Rolls-Royce, Senior Vice President – Civil Aerospace, said: “We are proud that our market leading Trent technology is powering China Southern Airlines’ new fleet of A380 aircraft, the first to enter service in China. China Southern Airlines is an extremely important customer and we look forward to extending our positive relationship as we support their continued growth.”
Le discours du rituel.
The Trent 900 has been selected by 11 out of 16 operators globally, seven out of eight operators in Asia and has been the choice of all A380 customers who have made engine selection decisions this year.
Factuellement vrai.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Mer 19 Oct 2011, 00:23
Merci, Jeannot !
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Texte rectifié. Désolé ! J'ai fait confusion entre Air China & China Southern. C'est Air China qui a choisi le RR Trent 1000. China Southern avait choisi le GE -GEnx, vers la fin de 2005.
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J'aurais dû écrire que :
China Southern reste avec ses B787, même si certains ont 'évoque le regret de la Cie. de ne pas avoir sélectionné le RR Trent 1000' (il semblerait qu'il n'y ait pas que China Southern, parmi les Cies. chinoises, qui ait exprimé ce regret ; mais, on ne verra jamais rien d'officiel à ce sujet, et, à ce stade, toutes les Cies. chinoises qui ont choisi le GEnx maintiendront ce choix).
Bonne nouvelle pour Boeing, ... et GE, donc !
Il pourrait en être de même pour la commande de "LOT Polish Airlines", sauf que là, LOT a choisi le RR Trent 1000.
LOT a de la patience, peut trouver des solutions pour couvrir les retards agaçants, et les besoins en PUC, et voudrait surtout rester avec le RR Trent 1000 !
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Texte rectifié. Désolé ! J'ai fait confusion entre Air China & China Southern. C'est Air China qui a choisi le RR Trent 1000. China Southern avait choisi le GE -GEnx, vers la fin de 2005.
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J'aurais dû écrire que :
China Southern reste avec ses B787, même si certains ont 'évoque le regret de la Cie. de ne pas avoir sélectionné le RR Trent 1000' (il semblerait qu'il n'y ait pas que China Southern, parmi les Cies. chinoises, qui ait exprimé ce regret ; mais, on ne verra jamais rien d'officiel à ce sujet, et, à ce stade, toutes les Cies. chinoises qui ont choisi le GEnx maintiendront ce choix).
Bonne nouvelle pour Boeing, ... et GE, donc !
Il pourrait en être de même pour la commande de "LOT Polish Airlines", sauf que là, LOT a choisi le RR Trent 1000.
LOT a de la patience, peut trouver des solutions pour couvrir les retards agaçants, et les besoins en PUC, et voudrait surtout rester avec le RR Trent 1000 !
Dernière édition par SEVRIEN le Ven 21 Oct 2011, 12:56, édité 2 fois
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par SEVRIEN Mer 19 Oct 2011, 12:43
RAPPEL : extrait du message de Jeannot et de l'article du "Seattle P.I."
Cela vaut la pein de remettre une couche !
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[quote="Jeannot"]Même si China Southern conserve sa commande de 787s Boeing s'attend à d'autres annulations [quote]
Voilà ! Réactions ?
Cela vaut la pein de remettre une couche !
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[quote="Jeannot"]Même si China Southern conserve sa commande de 787s Boeing s'attend à d'autres annulations [quote]
China Southern sticks with 787 but Boeing expects cancellations
Oui ! China Southern a confirmé son intention de prendre livraison de sa commande. Il veut cet avion, et, surtout, dans la combinaison avec le moteur RR Trent 1000 !
Boeing pourrait lui faire cadeau d'un B787 ! Le B777-300ER ne sert à rien, dans le contexte de China Southern !Boeing recently told China Southern that the first of its 10 787s would arrive in July, seven months later than previously planned, airline Chief Financial Officer Xu Jiebo told Dow Jones. He expressed disappointment with the new delay (the 787 program [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] to launch customer All Nippon Airways three and a half years late) and said he expected compensation.
De toutes façons, abstraction faite du beoin de 'couvrir le point mort' / "reach break-even", Boeing pourrait dire, pour les premiers lots des livraisons, "moins je livre, moins je facture, ... et moins je perds" (si la Comotabilité a été bien préparée) !Boeing Commercial Airplanes marketing Chief Randy Tinseth, meanwhile, said his company expects more 787 cancellations as it adjusts delivery dates.
On reviendra sur l'aspect des annulations, et de ses effets connexes.
Oui, mais pas China Southern, comme disent / insinuent à tort certains scribouiilards, .... qui ne s'étaient pas donné la peine de se renseigner, .. de 'gratter plus loin que le vernis'.The story included speculation that other Chinese airlines might cancel 787 orders.
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Re: China Southern : CZ : CSN
par Jeannot Jeu 20 Oct 2011, 23:27
La livraison du premier 787 de Southern décalée à Juillet 2012
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On se demande qui donc va être livré en 2011 ?China Southern 787 delivery delayed to July 2012
Boeing has delayed the delivery of China Southern Airlines' (CZ) first 787 from December until July 2012, a knowledgeable source told ATW.
CZ's order for 10 787s was placed in 2005 with deliveries originally scheduled to begin in 2008.
At last year's Zhuhai Air Show, Boeing said it would deliver CZ's first 787 in December. "But Boeing keeps delaying the delivery date, which has exerted a negative impact on our flight arrangements, technical training and grabbing more market share," CZ CFO Xu Jiebo said, noting the carrier is "quite concerned about the continuous delays of the Boeing 787 and thus we won't rule out the possibility of canceling Boeing 787 orders."
The source, however, told ATW that it is unlikely the carrier will cancel the order given that its first 787 is already on Boeing's production line.
China Eastern Airlines (MU) announced Monday it was canceling its order for 24 787s and instead ordering 15 Airbus A330s owing to continuous delays and a weakening economy.
A Boeing spokesperson told ATW Wednesday there have been "ebbs and flows" in the 787 program's order book: "There have been orders and commitments announced this year—Air France KLM is one example. And we have seen some cancellations as customers evolve their business/fleet plans. For example, China Eastern cited operational considerations in their disclosure on Monday."
CZ has been committed to international expansion owing in part to domestic competition with high speed rail. To meet demand, Xu pointed out the carrier must choose between the A330 or 777 to operate routes on which it had planned to use 787s, such as its new Guangzhou (CAN)-London Heathrow route scheduled to launch in March 2012. In the coming months, the carrier plans to open more international routes, including Beijing (PEK)-CAN-Brisbane, PEK-CAN-Perth and PEK-Urumqi-Istanbul.
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