Boeing 747-8

• RR, notamment, peut assurer l'EIS en 2017 /18,...... 2018 au plus tard (démonstrateur disponible avant la fin de 2015), d'un tel moteur (de toute nouvelle génération, doté d'une architecture à 2 arbres et / ou à 3 arbres -- Advance2 & Advance3 -- affichant un gain en "fuel-burn efficiency" respectivement de 15% & de 16% 'au moins') ;
  
• GE / CFMI avec son LeapX, incorporant en 2ème version, les nouveaux matériaux 'dernier cri', pourra être 'dans les parages' indiqués par RR ;
  
  
• à ce jour, P&W n'a aucun standard 'défini', capable d'afficher les niveaux de performance annoncés dans le "marketing hype" du GTF / PurePower, que P&W cherche à 'vendre' ;
  
• le niveau élevé de "risk aversion" de l'industrie du transport aérien, devant une tentative d'introduction dans les flottes (surtout des types de Cies. précités) d'une nouvelle technologie-moteurs, non mature, est un facteur 'bloquant', allant contre l'engouement que P&W cherche activement à créer dans ses campagnes de, 'J'ai un moteur à vendre, ..... achetez-le, .... s'il vous plaït, .... s'il vous plaît, .... (je vois implore' !) ;
  
• aspect que les Lessors n'apprécient guère, compte tenu des risques sur les valeurs résiduelles des avions dans le marché, et dans leurs porte-feuille (souvent en première ligne, ils sont plus que conscients du scepticisme des banques, qui fournissent les ressources de financement) ?
  

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Jeannot a écrit:Lors d'une réunion "Excellence Hour" Jim Albaugh lève un peu le voile sur les plans de la compagnie.

Boeing's future product developments

Details are quickly emerging regarding a meeting held between Boeing Commercial Airplanes CEO Jim Albaugh and company employees about the future of company product development, according to those present at the meeting. The meetings, which are held periodically are known inside the company as an "Excellence Hour" connects senior leadership with employees in a large auditorium setting.

12:31 PM ET: Those at the meeting say that Boeing aims to begin design additional upgrades on the existing 737 starting in 2012 and continues to see re-engining as hit to the value of the existing 737 fleet. No specific timeline for introduction was given, though Albaugh says he sees updates to the cockpit more in line with the 787, as well as further improvements to engine fuel efficiency.

12:37 PM ET: Albaugh says he sees a tanker decision from the Department of Defense in February, though adds (speculates) that political scrutiny on whatever the final decision is will push a final award in 2012. Update: Albaugh [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] Wednesday he anticipated an award announcement in March.

1:04 PM ET: Boeing 777 will be around for at least 15 years more, according to those at the meeting,....

.... signaling a medium term investment to improve the big twin.

Additionally, Albaugh says he likes the idea of a blended wing body aircraft for a future Boeing jet, though he says the FAA is not keen to the idea and the funds required to make a major research and development investment aren't really there to answer the unknowns on issues such as pressurization.

2:53 PM ET: Albaugh said future orders for the 747-8 are on hold as customers wait to see the outcome of the rework related to the inboard aileron and modal suppression.

While Boeing declined to discuss a formal timeline for starting development on further updates for the 737, the airframer says "incremental improvements are going to happen to the 737 no matter what" not withstanding a decision to re-engining or a build a new airplane. Further, Boeing says the expectation is that technology will be shared across all its airplanes.

Though company did say that yesterday's RBC report saying "most" of the top 25 737s do not want Boeing to re-engine the narrowbody, was "consistent with what we're hearing from customers."

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• "Les GEnx2B semblent tenir leurs promesses "!
  

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Comment ? Quelles promesses ?
C'est ainsi que l'on véhicule des idées reçues, .... bien fausses !

Initialement, ces "GEnx Bleed Air" étaient censés générer des gains en "fuel-burn efficiency" de 26% à 28% par rapport aux moteurs qui équipent les B747-400 !

'In fine', on entend , aujourd'hui, qu'il s'agira d'un gain, certes, bon à prendre, mais seulement de 10% à 12% au maximum ! :roll:

C'est ça, ... 'tenir ses / leurs promesses" ?
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Lufthansa discloses 747-8I configuration

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] plans a 386-seat configuration of its new 747-8I when it arrives in its fleet in first quarter of 2012.
The stretched jet will be configured with eight first-class, 80 business-class and 298 economy seats.
Nico Buchholz, executive vice president, Lufthansa Group fleet management, says the carrier plans a new on-board product, which altered the available space on the aircraft.
"We started with slightly above 400 [seats], but that was the old standard, things evolve," he says, "We find things which we can do to the passengers - which are positive - and this usually does cost a couple of seats."
Details of the new on-board product were not disclosed.
Positioned between the 526-seat [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] and twin configuration 306- and 345-seat [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien], the 747-8I will occupy a space that will allow the carrier to begin partly replacing its 23 747-400s and seven -400 Combis.
Buchholz says no timeline for the fleet's retirement has been identified, though market requirements will dictate the pace of the 747-400s' exit from the fleet.
Final route selection has not yet been determined, adds Buchholz, although he says 45 of the carrier's 70 long-haul routes are candidates for the first service.
Buchholz says the new aircraft will be able to meet the carrier's requirements. "All the mission profiles we want, we can meet," he says. "And actually we have very onerous points where we look for mission profiles, sometimes routes we don't fly, but we pinpoint certain areas to find if there are any weaknesses, and then we are extremely pleased when we don't find them. And I'm still pleased."
Buchholz anticipates a performance improvement package in the years to come and says they will have no operational impact on the aircraft "except we may save a little bit of fuel", he says.
The first 747-8I is slated to fly in the "early spring" - late March or April - and is expected to be certified in the third or fourth quarter following a 600h flight test campaign.
A total of 33 747-8I aircraft have been ordered, with Lufthansa accounting for the bulk of the backlog with 20. Korean Air holds orders for five of the aircraft, along with eight slated to be configured for head of state and VIP missions.

Boeing rules out short-haul 747-8I

The market for a "D-model" 747-8I designed for short-haul operations is "non-existent", says [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] Commercial Airplanes marketing vice president, Randy Tinseth.
"We could do things in terms of going to a one-class interior," he says, "but we're not going to modify the airplane to make it. It kills the residual value...and you're really building a plane for a very small market and the question is, who would be willing to finance it? It's just at best a technically very, very, very small market."
Tinseth says the business case for such an aircraft has disintegrated as low-cost carriers have found greater efficiencies with higher utilization on smaller aircraft.
Compared to a narrow-body jet flying "nine or ten" flights in a day, says Tinseth, a large aircraft in similar operations can't justify the higher capital costs and extended turn-around times.
"You just can't make [a very large aircraft] efficient" in a short-haul domestic configuration, he says.
All Nippon Airways is today the world's sole operator of the 565-seat 747-400D, a winglet-less model designed for high-cycle operation for short domestic hops between major Japanese cities.
Japan Airlines, the only other carrier to operate the type, is phasing out all models of its 747-400s in line with its bankruptcy restructuring.
The 747-400D was designed specifically for the Japanese market and Boeing delivered 19 of the type to ANA and JAL between 1991 and 1995.

Boeing unveils sunrise 747-8I colors

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Jeannot a écrit:Boeing dit Non au 747-8I "à la japonaise"

Boeing rules out short-haul 747-8I

The market for a "D-model" 747-8I designed for short-haul operations is "non-existent", says [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] Commercial Airplanes marketing vice president, Randy Tinseth.
"We could do things in terms of going to a one-class interior," he says, "but we're not going to modify the airplane to make it. It kills the residual value...and you're really building a plane for a very small market and the question is, who would be willing to finance it? It's just at best a technically very, very, very small market."
Tinseth says the business case for such an aircraft has disintegrated as low-cost carriers have found greater efficiencies with higher utilization on smaller aircraft.
Compared to a narrow-body jet flying "nine or ten" flights in a day, says Tinseth, a large aircraft in similar operations can't justify the higher capital costs and extended turn-around times.
"You just can't make [a very large aircraft] efficient" in a short-haul domestic configuration, he says.
All Nippon Airways is today the world's sole operator of the 565-seat 747-400D, a winglet-less model designed for high-cycle operation for short domestic hops between major Japanese cities.
Japan Airlines, the only other carrier to operate the type, is phasing out all models of its 747-400s in line with its bankruptcy restructuring.
The 747-400D was designed specifically for the Japanese market and Boeing delivered 19 of the type to ANA and JAL between 1991 and 1995.

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Boeing aims to jumpstart 747-8 sales in Middle East and Asia

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] is keen to reignite flagging sales of its [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien], and sees Asia and the Middle East as key target markets.

"We really do believe that this airplane's going to sell, and it's going to sell well. We think this airplane will sell this year," says deputy 747-8 programme manager Elizabeth Lund.

Boeing has received 107 orders for the 747-8, including 74 freighters and 33 of the passenger Intercontinental, which was revealed to the public yesterday (13 Feb).

"People have been hesitant to make commitments," says airplane programmes vice-president and 747-8 general manager Pat Shanahan, adding that demand was suppressed by the global economic slowdown and questions about the delayed aircraft.

Shanahan says there are "many" sales campaigns ongoing and "once there's certainty around the performance of the airplane, the availability of the airplane, we think we'll see an uptick".

Boeing's next campaign appears to be Turkish Airlines, which said in October it was "evaluating" proposals for the 747-8I and the [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien].

Shanahan offered an unsolicited reference to the 747-8I as being "ideally suited" for the Turkish market as a transit point in and out of Europe.

"Nothing would be better than putting airplanes in the Middle East," he says.

The 747-8I was unveiled with a 'Sunrise' livery, a direct appeal to carriers in Asia and the Middle East, where red and orange represent prosperity and good fortune.

The 747-8 programme remains in a loss-making position for Boeing. The company is facing tough competition from the larger A380, forcing it to use factory productivity improvements more aggressively to bolster the financial standing of the programme, says Shanahan.

"The market will have a lot of pressure, the A380 will price to sell," he says, adding that the company's advantage on the 747-8 freighter does not exist on the passenger model.

Shanahan says Boeing has seen more traction for the freighter variant, which will enter service mid-year with [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] Airlines.

"The world from a growth standpoint has recovered," says Shanahan. "There was a thought that the growth was just to replenish inventories, but the freighter side of this thing keeps going and going."

Interest has come from both airline cargo operations as well as large logistics companies, he says.

Boeing's market analysis for its largest aircraft remains conservative in comparison to its European competitor. The US airframer sees 720 large aircraft delivered between 2010 and 2029. Of those 720, around 500 will account for large passenger aircraft. Boeing forecasts 43% of those 720 aircraft delivered to Asia, China and Southeast Asia, with the Middle East representing a further 23%.

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien], on the other hand, envisages a market for 1,740 very large aircraft, of which 1,300 will be passenger aircraft delivered over the same 20-year period. Airbus has received 240 firm orders for the A380 to date.

In addition to airline launch customer [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien], the only airline to order the 747-8I is Korean Air, which placed an order for five of the type in December 2009. Lufthansa will see its first 747-8I delivered in early 2012.

Jeannot a écrit:Boeing cherche une augmentation des ventes du 747-8 en Asie et au Moyen-Orient.

Boeing aims to jumpstart 747-8 sales in Middle East and Asia

[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] is keen to reignite flagging sales of its [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien], and sees Asia and the Middle East as key target markets.

"We really do believe that this airplane's going to sell, and it's going to sell well. We think this airplane will sell this year," says deputy 747-8 programme manager Elizabeth Lund.

Boeing has received 107 orders for the 747-8, including 74 freighters and 33 of the passenger Intercontinental, which was revealed to the public yesterday (13 Feb).

"People have been hesitant to make commitments," says airplane programmes vice-president and 747-8 general manager Pat Shanahan, adding that demand was suppressed by the global economic slowdown and questions about the delayed aircraft.

Shanahan says there are "many" sales campaigns ongoing and "once there's certainty around the performance of the airplane, the availability of the airplane, we think we'll see an uptick".

Boeing's next campaign appears to be Turkish Airlines, which said in October it was "evaluating" proposals for the 747-8I and the [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien].

Shanahan offered an unsolicited reference to the 747-8I as being "ideally suited" for the Turkish market as a transit point in and out of Europe.

"Nothing would be better than putting airplanes in the Middle East," he says.

The 747-8I was unveiled with a 'Sunrise' livery, a direct appeal to carriers in Asia and the Middle East, where red and orange represent prosperity and good fortune.

The 747-8 programme remains in a loss-making position for Boeing. The company is facing tough competition from the larger A380, forcing it to use factory productivity improvements more aggressively to bolster the financial standing of the programme, says Shanahan.

"The market will have a lot of pressure, the A380 will price to sell," he says, adding that the company's advantage on the 747-8 freighter does not exist on the passenger model.

Shanahan says Boeing has seen more traction for the freighter variant, which will enter service mid-year with [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir ce lien] Airlines.

"The world from a growth standpoint has recovered," says Shanahan. "There was a thought that the growth was just to replenish inventories, but the freighter side of this thing keeps going and going."

Interest has come from both airline cargo operations as well as large logistics companies, he says.